(less than the grain raising , but not as smooth as a 220 grit sanding. White there are traditional abrasive powders that you can use for this purpose, like rottenstone and pumice, the newest formulations in automotive rubbing compounds work like a charm. However, if you're not happy with the gloss because of shine, try rubbing it down with 4 ought (0000) steel wool, available at any hardware or big box home store. Thanks for venturing out of your primary focus with me! After leveling with wet/dry paper, use Mirka Abralon pads to create a satin or semi-gloss effect. The 5″ model is the ETS125. I finish it off with turtle wax. Stop sooner at a lower grit and you can achieve the perfect semi-gloss, satin, or matte finish. Thank you so much for all the useful advise, you have answered so many of my finishing questions. Ultimately, they all do the same thing: abrade the surface at a particular grit. Start with 1000, then work up grits to as high as 3000 for a satin or semi-gloss effect. Thank you for your consideration, Well keep in mind that my knowledge of finishes really doesn’t extend far beyond that ones we typically use on furniture. Before it felt like, well, wood with a gloss varnish. Norton 3x is Stearated and it resists clogging well. After the surface is fully polished, you should be left with a deep rich gloss that has no equal! I found a local auto body shop supplier with a good selection of 3M wet/dry papers. Sanded and have oiled the selected areas, but what I eyeball want is a shiny finish. Great information!!!! I’m assuming you wouldn’t have to fill any pores because the paint would take care of that, but how much longer you should let the piece sit following the paint stage for the paint to fully cure, before moving on to the finish coat? Well you could just spray more lacquer in that one area and blend it in. Once the surface is leveled, we can proceed with abrading the surface with increasingly higher and higher grits. Is it a stain with a varnish mixed in? Joel. I’m not doing high gloss finishes but some staining & several coats of Urethane. Been working on how to improve the look of my finishes. A high-gloss finish has long been the popular choice for tabletops and other flat surfaces. Generally speaking, when staining, you don’t want to sand until you have at least two coats over the stain. For final smoothing, I used 600, 1200, 2000 for the smoothing process, but was extremely careful not to burn through. If using varnish how many coats do you suggest for this process? But if using a varnish, you just need to keep the final coat fairly thick so that you don’t burn through. I've read these finishes rub out best. It was much better than any sprayed or brushed finish. On the inside of a couple of the doors, and only in small places (not much larger than 3″ x 3″, or even smaller), there are some bits of grit or what look like very very faint fingerprints. Again, clean all residue with a damp cloth and buff clean with a cotton cloth. Fortunately rubbing to a satin finish is easier:1--Sand the surface flat so there are no ridges, brush marks, depressions, dust specks, etc. From here on, the only reason to continue to rub is to bring up a higher sheen or gloss. Rubbing Out A High-Gloss Finish By: Dennis Perkins Getting a professional-quality, mirror finish is just a matter of using the right fi nishing products, techniques, and a little elbow grease. If that doesnt work, you can always use a semi-gloss topcoat to change the sheen. I was told by paint shops that nothing other than oil can go over oil, which has been my dilemma. Thanks in advance! I put a moving blanket on top of it to protect the finish and stupidly placed a bookcase lengthwise on top of the moving blanket. Clean all residue when done with a damp cloth. Otherwise you run the risk of sanding through. I’m doing stain and topping with arm r seal. I appreciate any advice. I can’t find anyone discussing it online, which makes me worry it’s a bad idea. I am a Masters student of the University of Education, Kumasi-Ghana West Africa. It's messy, so count on compound slinging around the area. Hey Marc, looooonnnnnggg time listener/watcher/follower. I am trying to do a high gloss poly finish on doors and I’m using Festool Granit paper. What is your advice, given what I have already done, to achieve a decent high-gloss finish? Great video! I always enjoy reading the information put out for the public on surface finishes. Is there a wax or oil or similar medium, and/or a technique I can use to get at least a semi- shiny finish? The highest sheen I can get to is a semi-gloss. So brushed-on coats of a standard varnish would do the trick nicely. You could use semi-gloss, or satin. In the world of paint and deck/trim finishes there are lots of products on the market and mixes from the paint store that I don’t know much about and they often use terms to mask what’s actually in the product. Well you have to remove them sooner or later. 1) I assume we need different shades of wood filler from Timbermate. Is it necessary to remove all of the shiny areas after the first three coats have been applied? You will end up with a piano-like shine. Even with considerable wiping the finish seemed to just bead up on the surface. If there’s grit or if something falls into the finish, I’ll sand a bit. We are going for a more rustic look. Poly isn’t the best candidate for rubbing out but I know folks have done it successfully. I really appreciate the great info. The soapy water helps prevent sandpaper clogging. Copyright © 2006-2020 The Wood Whisperer Inc. Thinning the polyurethane makes it flow on more smoothly and reduces brush marks. If your paper gums up with little globs of material, toss it and get another sheet. Good luck and one last piece of advice: practice on a test piece to get a feel for the papers - 1000-grit doesn't sound very aggressive, but it will eat your lunch if you don't know when to stop. You really want that final layer of finish to be thick enough to withstand the rubbing out process. 1 coat lacq The top looks ok now but with the finish not sinking in I don’t think it will provide any real protection. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. Apply a final polish of your choice. For leveling I sand by hand dry with a cork sanding block using either 320 or 400 grit. That process is called rubbing out. A high-gloss finish has long been the popular choice for tabletops and other flat surfaces. For the table finish, I chose a product called Ceramithane that I had used in the past on their nursery furniture. I have never seen Mirka products around. 1000,1500, or 2000 grit) prior to applying the first coats of lacquer, or should I simple ignore the slight fuzziness and apply the lacquer without sanding. this will knock down the shine without scratching the surface. Yes, this terminology is very hard to discuss with a straight face. If so, you can use any oil-based topcoat on top of it, once it’s completely cured. The blanks were close to flat but apparently not close enough and the result I had burn through before I had flattened the low spots. There are several techniques by Jeff Jewitt of Homestead Finishing Products: DRY BUFF WITH MIRKA ROYAL MICRO PAPER. quick question, lacquer is one of those finishes that melts into the previous finish like shellac right? Any ideas? And I have been thinning my polyurethane, but I still get a few bubbles. But I’m not sure if that will make the spot look better or worse, since you’ll be laying more finish that you’ll likely burn through again. I have been doing it in a fairly dust free room to avoid most of the dust spots, but I still get a few. I use 320 grit wet/dry paper and a bit of soapy water as a lubricant. While that is how some do it it's really not necessary, today I think most people use something like an automotive finish polish e.g. Can an interior varnish be placed over General’s Arm-R-Seal oil & urethane topcoat? If you fill out your profile in your "User Control Panel", you can list any hobbies, experience or other facts. Followed your instructions but after I polished using IP2500 some areas of the humidor are glass smooth and clear and other good sized areas are flat and matte? Im trying to polish my ash top guitar, i sanded already 400, 600, 1000, 1200 and finally i used a 3m high gloss compound (by hand). Yes, that’s correct about both shellac and lacquer. I have some raw Walnut cabinet doors. Well, Arm R Seal actually is an interior varnish so there wouldn’t be much reason to use another brand on top of the Arm R Seal. Start with a sanding sequence from 600 through 1200 grit (and sometimes finer grits). Just can’t figure how to finish the darn thing!). Tags: floor hook amp loop commonplace hook amp. Sand My shooting schedule is usually shoot three coats in a day, let dry overnight. It becomes more noticeable in certain lighting. Hi Marc, long time follower first time poster here. You have to let it dry completely before you can really see what you've got. I have hand leveled it (800 grit) it and wet sanded down with a Makita random orbit sander with 1200, 1500, and 2000 grit, but I got swirl marks, very visible. not sure if this makes any sense….but would this technique work with painted wood surfaces? Rubbing Out Using Modern Materials Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. HELP! But when I go on rockler, it says it’s a 5in sander but the platin pads are 6in. Rubbing to satin by hand is not that hard, but rubbing to gloss by hand is a lot of work. Use mineral spirits or soapy water as a lubricant if you use wet and dry paper instead of self lubricating paper. Also lesson learned. I would guess that if you wait longer, you should be able to repeat the wax and steel wool process with success. Just one quick question. Both the rubbing compound and the foam pad that velcros to my sander came from the auto body supply store. I currently spray, using 25% thinner with the varnish, should I drop that down a bit for the last coat? As this rifle will be sitting in my safe for 95% of its lifetime, do I have to seal it with a protective coat or can I just polish the last layer of Tung oil. What is the best way to try and get out all I can? Thank you for your input. For me, the ETS series is just about all I need. After using this process I now know how to get a real great look. Take it to a high enough grit and you’ll be polishing the surface to a super high gloss. Go to a heavier grit if surface irregularities are not fully removed. :) I suppose you could just use the Festool abrasive pads and go up to their highest grit and call it done, but I’m not sure if the results would be as good as using rubbing compounds. Now it feels like a Ferrari. I can use some help, I asked for matte finish, I got a satin finish. Join the Guild today! It appears this table is commermcily made because the top is constructed a lot of small stips, and the grain orientation varies a lot throughout. What product and grit, and process, would you recommend, or should I just learn to live with it? To reveal flaws (bubbles, brush marks, etc.) 3) Will these videos always be there for us to refer to or should we capture some of the text you so expertly include below the video? I do wet sand through the higher grits in the smoothing stage, but overall smoothing involves less time since each higher grit takes only a little time since in smoothing, the work is already level and it’s a matter of replacing larger scratches with smaller ones. I am glad to see others doing this too. If rubbing out is the answer then I need some guidance. I use a poly finish and after the first 3 – 4 coats, I start to sand between coats. However, if you're not happy with the gloss because of shine, try rubbing it down with 4 ought (0000) steel wool, ... and cause high-gloss will show every bump, pit and brush stroke. Fo you think that is a good sander for general finish sanding, doing a satin finish and the occasional high gloss? Also, you can use a clear wood filler as a generic option that should work in all woods. Which festool sander did you use? Or only after all coats of lacquer have been applied? For instance, on this project you used 320 and on the contemplation bench you used platin 1000. However, there are millions of products and services on the web, and I only promote those products or services that I would use personally. Mine came out better than anything I've ever finished before in fifteen years of what I'll call serious hobbyist woodworking. Is there a mistake somewhere? I could use some advice/recommendations on a finishing a 25 year old rifle stock. In a spray booth that has lots of air flow, you would be surprised how much lint and dust the fan pulls off of you. I recently completed a kitchen table project for my own family. Hi Marc If I have to seal it, what sealer (polyurethan, lacquer, varnish) will adhere to the Tung Oil? Marc, you simply do an amazing job of sharing your skills. Thanx !!! Lacquer is similar to shellac in that each coat melts into each other – this type of finish works well for high gloss rubbing because there are no “layers” of finish. Have you considered trying something with a motor? Can I rub them out back to a matte finish but also leave them protected? Begin with a small area, make 2-3 passes, then evaluate results. You do a fabulous job with your website. Also, do any of you use wax on top of your final finish? I see that Festool recommends using the Rotex for polishing steps (after finishing with the platin abrasive), and also sells sheepskin and various foam/felt pads and “MPA ” polishing compounds “5000” and “8000” which they say are to be used with an alternate stickfix pad with a green back (not the blue back one you show in your photos). It was, in fact on top of Arm R Seal gloss – about 5 coats worth and I had let it cure for about 3 weeks. Just wondering what advantages/disadvantages or doing with or without the compound? I used 3M "Perfect-It" and my Porter-Cable worm drive random orbit sander. After finishing the 2000 grit pass, rinse off and let dry. Also, wet the floor down before you spray. I do those by hand though. I have recently applied a Trantstint dye to some cherry wood. In fact, it’s the most used sander in my shop. Once again, soapy water serves as a lubricant. Marc is not using a polisher. Then go to the polishing compounds. Any large grit that gets between your rubbing pad and the surface may leave a scratch deep enough to cause you to have to drop back a grit or two to remove. I am assuming that they are hard to avoid entirely. this process can be done with other finished like shellac I’m assuming (which is the finish i have the most experience with) but can this be done with a finish that causes layering issues such as the polyurethanes and (correct me if I’m wrong) varnishes? Four regular coats of urethane applied one over the other is a good starting point. They are both way too abrasive, and dull the finish a lot. A brush clears the work of dust which for me is easier than wiping liquid away. After the final coat had cured for a couple of days, I started the wet sand process. Comment from contributor T: The porch was previously painted with a semi-gloss oil-based solid stain, but my understanding is that they now only offer high gloss in oil stains. The table is so big that my eye is drawn to imperfections in various lights… I’m interested in rubbing out the finish. Many automotive polish brands will provide a rubbing compound and a final polish as a two-step procedure. DRY/WET BUFF WITH ABRALON POLISHING DISCS. You are a very good presenter. Christian. I sprayed on four coats with a light scuffing in between with 400-grit dry paper. In order to produce a higher sheen or gloss, we need to use a finer abrasive. I used Red Label AbrasIves sanding discs (only thing I could find on Amazon). I have a beautiful cherry table that has a matte finish. It’s a Stickley so I want to ask your advice before moving forward. The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. Stop sooner at a lower grit and you can achieve the perfect semi-gloss, satin, or matte finish. I hope you can help me. Is this true? I rubbed out a test board with paste was and steel wool, and was very pleased with the results. In reality, simply applying a few coats of clear finish and waiting for them to dry rarely leads to a smooth, consistent look. You might try abrading the surface with 1000-2000 grit paper and soapy water as a lubricant. Mostly this can only be seen in the right kind of light. What specific product are you referring to? Let cure a week, wet sand through the grits (up to 3600) and buff. Dribble some compound onto the surface and start up the sander. 3 coats lacq I have done 4 layers expecting to take it down a bit before polishing. It’s a random orbital sander. Brush on three thin coats with a foam brush. The final steps of the process bring the surface to a super deep gloss. To avoid dust, are you wearing a Tyvek suit? Rejuvenate 128 Oz Professional High Gloss Wood Floor Rer Capital polishers ltd furniture spraying kitchen french polisher wood finishing and restoration polishing how to make a high gloss finish while turning on lathe with french polisher wood finishing and restoration polishing 213 rubbing out a high gloss finish you how to polish resin step by tutorial for polishing epoxy. I’d like it to still have a satin look when I’m done, and my thought is that buffing the surface would probably not change this aspect? It looks like the ets150/3. I was thinking about buying a mirror glaze compound like meguiars m7 but i dont know if thats the answer. So, the spots are too noticeable for this type of project. A fellow woodworker who is also a fellow World of Warcraft player! When rubbing to a high gloss it’s critical that you keep everything as clean as possible. And in what order? It is a great way to get that high gloss to really shine. Can you give us an example of the consistency we should shoot for in a filler? The only thing that might be better is a good French polish, but I personally don't have the time or patience for that. Hi, I’m trying to get a high gloss finish out of nitro i sprayed on a used piano I got. Thank you for making this possible. I never sand finish below 320. Can you tell me what I need to do to to make this a Matte finish, we have applied one coat of varnish with the satin label. Made doors for a bathroom vanity, stained them and applied a high gloss polyurethane(5 coats). I heard your plan on the WTOR podcast to balance these two sites in the coming year and I think this is a great start. As an alternative to wet sanding in the leveling process, I’ve had good results with Norton 3x. Hi Marc, I’m new at this and decided to make a butcher block table out of red oak. Answered. Looks good, Marc! There are several techniques by Jeff Jewitt of Homestead Finishing Products: DRY BUFF WITH MIRKA ROYAL MICRO PAPER. Repeat the polish process with a swirl mark remover. In this video I rub out a polyurethane coated table top for the ultimate finish result I was looking for. So you would simply find an oil-based outdoor varnish that has a semi-gloss sheen. So, your idea sounds like it could work. Thanks!!! And oil-based stain, in the furniture world, generally doesn’t have a gloss quality to it as there is not varnish in the mix. Always good to make a test board though when trying a new finish. You can probably do this on smaller pieces too but it does become a little trickier using a powered solution like this. I found rubbing with the grain was fine, no need to make circles or figure eights. The key to this process is letting the finish cure. Questions about ‘rubbing out’ the high gloss finish. I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. For the most part, they look very nice, but there are some imperfections when you look closely. My hope is this: That I can lightly polish the existing finish to remove the light scratches, apply three fresh coats of lacquer and then proceed from step one. But I like the idea of working my way down from the highest grit because it removes less finish and could save a lot of extra work. These videos will always be here for you to enjoy. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. No reason you can’t follow the process shown in this video as long as you never sand down into your paint layer. Fortunately rubbing to a satin finish is easier:1--Sand the surface flat so there are no ridges, brush marks, depressions, dust specks, etc. I’ve got a 14-foot table finished with General Finishes Arm-R-Seal oil based poly and I’m looking to rub out the finish. Using Mirka Royal Micro sandpaper, always start with 1500-grit sandpaper. Before I go on vacation should I sand the top to 320 to “roughen” it and open the grain? I … Is there any way to get a shiny or glossy finish without use of a shellac type of coating? Use with a random orbit sander. Switch to a fine synthetic abrasive wool (0000 steel wool equivalent) to bring the finish to a satin sheen. I bought Surbuf polishing pads, and I’m waiting on Menzerna 2500 and 3500 to come in the mail. it is definitely coming from the ip2000. It’s cool that you shared some of the latest Guild build on the free site. Bottom line is you’re buffing the topcoat, not the material under it. I have done a few of these poly projects. This can be done in a number of ways using a variety of materials, but I really like using Timbermate water-based filler. The end result looks incredibly professional. 213 – Rubbing Out a High Gloss Finish . To apply the polishing compounds, I use Surbuf pads. How does the bag of M&M peanuts fit into the process(3:18)? Sand As for the paint itself, I’m not much of a “paint guy.” I imagine giving the paint a few days to cure up would be adequate before applying your water-based topcoat. I have been doing a few projects lately with high-gloss polyurethane finishes. 1 coat lacq….. I use a similar process for a project I make from time to time. I would say you need to start applying lacquer and start building your coats. Start with 600 or 800 grit self lubricating paper and continue through the grits to 1200 or finer. This removes the high spots, the embedded dust, the laps, etc. Select polyurethane with a high gloss or semigloss sheen. Steve at woodworking for mere mortals used some for his chess board build? Where would stain fit in the process if one wanted to stain the wood? Is that right? However, now I need some advice. Use a fine cut cleaner by McGuire's or 3M and follow the instructions on the bottle. Let’s face it, very few of us have spray booths and our shops are far from ideal finishing environments. Hasn’t yet happened in many other states though. Do you mean an oil-based semi-gloss over the oil gloss (which doesn’t appear to exist now) or can you use non-oil over the oil gloss? The top of the box that I applied it to is Ambrosia Maple, and it literally feels like a slab of marble. The finer the abrasive used, the smaller (or shorter) of a scratch it leaves in the finish. Take it to a high enough grit and you'll be polishing the surface to a super high gloss. Power buffers are only effective on gloss finishes. I spray-painted three coats of satin black (from cans), followed by several coats of brushed sanding sealer. Will this rubbing process work if I use arm-r-seal in place of the acrylic lacquer that you used in the video but kept the rest of the process the same? Hi Marc. It was weird to essentially take all the shine and gloss off, and then put it back on, but my piece now looks glass smooth – better than before. Everything has gone well up to this point. :). @Mark P. – Can’t say it and then not do it …. Thanks! IP2000 and SF4000 with surbuf pads for the polish, like in your video. Answer + 3. For a small box, I might just go with a hand application to avoid issues. This first grit is the most critical as it flattens the orange peel and gets out the major imperfections. It’s a subtle difference, but hard to explain. If not, is there any replacement for the acrylic lacquer because I have no ability to spray in my shop? Yes. However, it does tend to orange peel a bit and therefore required wet-sanding and polishing for my kitchen table project. That’s essentially what I did here. Then we buff with an abrasive pad. 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